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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://aldoblog.com/2005/02/os-x-backup-sucks/#comment-20857</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 22:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've found that TimeMachine and the other Apple utilities are not up to par for me.  I use "TOLIS Group's":tolis "BRU Server":bruserver to backup my Mac, Linux, and Windows systems. It's saved my butt many times and it's cheaper than Retrospect's server product!

[tolis]http://www.tolisgroup.com
[bruserver]http://www.tolisgroup.com/products/bruserver/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;ve found that TimeMachine and the other Apple utilities are not up to par for me.  I use <a href="http://www.tolisgroup.com"><span class="caps">TOLIS</span> Group&#8217;s</a> <a href="http://www.tolisgroup.com/products/bruserver/"><span class="caps">BRU</span> Server</a> to backup my Mac, Linux, and Windows systems. It&#8217;s saved my butt many times and it&#8217;s cheaper than Retrospect&#8217;s server product!</p>

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		<title>By: Alderete</title>
		<link>http://aldoblog.com/2005/02/os-x-backup-sucks/#comment-20318</link>
		<dc:creator>Alderete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 06:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I lost a hard disk drive, to a severe hardware failure (even "DriveSavers":http://www.drivesavers.com/ couldn't recover it), more than 10 years ago. I learned then that whatever it costs, backing up is worth it.

So certainly I have no difficulty spending the money for backup hardware and software; since that time I've spent *way* more than $150 on my backup drives, in fact more than *$5,000,* covering two different DAT tape drives, a Ecrix VXS tape drive (plus expensive tapes), a Granite Digital hot-swappable drive (plus 8 increasingly large hard disks for it), and most recently an Infrant ReadyNAS. And I've owned and used a plethora of backup software solutions, currently _both_ Retrospect (for archival backups) and SuperDuper (for a bootable copy of my system).

But I'm crazy, zealous about doing backups, and I'm a very technical person. My friends who have experienced problems with Backup are neither of these things. My approach is far too expensive, and requires too much expertise to manage. (Retrospect in particular is notoriously hard to use, even for people who use it all the time.) And Backup, offered as a big benefit of .Mac, could easily be the perfect solution for them.

If it worked. But it doesn't. Backup bills itself as really easy, and in many ways it is. But in the overall lifecycle, it becomes pretty challenging. And some things don't work at all, or fail at the worst time.

My ultimate point isn't that it's possible find a good backup solution, if you work for it. (SuperDuper, while excellent, *does* require effort to learn about, acquire, and understand.) It's that Backup, with some minor (from a user experience perspective) improvements, could be excellent, instead of failing miserably.

Fortunately we're not too far from having "Time Machine":http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/timemachine.html, and this complaint will probably vanish forever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I lost a hard disk drive, to a severe hardware failure (even <a href="http://www.drivesavers.com/">DriveSavers</a> couldn&#8217;t recover it), more than 10 years ago. I learned then that whatever it costs, backing up is worth it.</p>

	<p>So certainly I have no difficulty spending the money for backup hardware and software; since that time I&#8217;ve spent <strong>way</strong> more than $150 on my backup drives, in fact more than <strong>$5,000,</strong> covering two different <span class="caps">DAT</span> tape drives, a Ecrix <span class="caps">VXS</span> tape drive (plus expensive tapes), a Granite Digital hot-swappable drive (plus 8 increasingly large hard disks for it), and most recently an Infrant ReadyNAS. And I&#8217;ve owned and used a plethora of backup software solutions, currently <em>both</em> Retrospect (for archival backups) and SuperDuper (for a bootable copy of my system).</p>

	<p>But I&#8217;m crazy, zealous about doing backups, and I&#8217;m a very technical person. My friends who have experienced problems with Backup are neither of these things. My approach is far too expensive, and requires too much expertise to manage. (Retrospect in particular is notoriously hard to use, even for people who use it all the time.) And Backup, offered as a big benefit of .Mac, could easily be the perfect solution for them.</p>

	<p>If it worked. But it doesn&#8217;t. Backup bills itself as really easy, and in many ways it is. But in the overall lifecycle, it becomes pretty challenging. And some things don&#8217;t work at all, or fail at the worst time.</p>

	<p>My ultimate point isn&#8217;t that it&#8217;s possible find a good backup solution, if you work for it. (SuperDuper, while excellent, <strong>does</strong> require effort to learn about, acquire, and understand.) It&#8217;s that Backup, with some minor (from a user experience perspective) improvements, could be excellent, instead of failing miserably.</p>

	<p>Fortunately we&#8217;re not too far from having <a href="http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/timemachine.html">Time Machine</a>, and this complaint will probably vanish forever.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://aldoblog.com/2005/02/os-x-backup-sucks/#comment-20317</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 04:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you are serious about not losing things like 4 1/2 years of children pictures, personal memories, financial data, etc. etc. then it is well worth the ~$130 for Retrospect and a decent external hard drive.  It is too bad the Apple backup software is bad, but I have seen equally as bad things happen to people using Microsoft's built-in backup software, so the problems are the same across both platforms.  Sorry for your losses.  Third-party commercial software is almost always the best way to go.  The only other application I have seen work well for backup's is SuperDuper, which is a great shareware application.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>If you are serious about not losing things like 4 1/2 years of children pictures, personal memories, financial data, etc. etc. then it is well worth the ~$130 for Retrospect and a decent external hard drive.  It is too bad the Apple backup software is bad, but I have seen equally as bad things happen to people using Microsoft&#8217;s built-in backup software, so the problems are the same across both platforms.  Sorry for your losses.  Third-party commercial software is almost always the best way to go.  The only other application I have seen work well for backup&#8217;s is SuperDuper, which is a great shareware application.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Sid</title>
		<link>http://aldoblog.com/2005/02/os-x-backup-sucks/#comment-19922</link>
		<dc:creator>Sid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep just had the same thing happen to me Shawn.  I have a pre-tiger backup on 17 DVDs - it still works like a charm (not sure which version of backup, I think 3 also)

Not too long ago I did a backup onto an external 500GB hdd - cos swapping DVDs is annoying! Everything went smooth, woke up the next morning to find the confirmation message on screen, so I proceeded to wipe the drive clean.

When it came time to restore, the restore failed.  On further investigation I found that a couple of the Backup files were an amazing OKB in size, lost a lot of personal stuff - music and photos and mail - which REALLY SUCKS! Luckily all my work was already moved to the external HDD, but there were some important family pics now gone forever.  Funny how that's the exact angle Apple uses to pimp their .Mac setup - and yes, this is coming from a .Mac user.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Yep just had the same thing happen to me Shawn.  I have a pre-tiger backup on 17 <span class="caps">DVD</span>s &#8211; it still works like a charm (not sure which version of backup, I think 3 also)</p>

	<p>Not too long ago I did a backup onto an external 500GB hdd &#8211; cos swapping <span class="caps">DVD</span>s is annoying! Everything went smooth, woke up the next morning to find the confirmation message on screen, so I proceeded to wipe the drive clean.</p>

	<p>When it came time to restore, the restore failed.  On further investigation I found that a couple of the Backup files were an amazing <span class="caps">OKB</span> in size, lost a lot of personal stuff &#8211; music and photos and mail &#8211; which <span class="caps">REALLY</span> <span class="caps">SUCKS</span>! Luckily all my work was already moved to the external <span class="caps">HDD</span>, but there were some important family pics now gone forever.  Funny how that&#8217;s the exact angle Apple uses to pimp their .Mac setup &#8211; and yes, this is coming from a .Mac user.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Shawn</title>
		<link>http://aldoblog.com/2005/02/os-x-backup-sucks/#comment-17898</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 04:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am truely pissed off. All i can say is GOD DAMN YOU APPLE for making this piece of shit backup program. I have been using in faithfuly and come to find out after updating to Tiger and formating my drive....... everything that I thought was being backed up WAS NOT.

I wish to hell I could have some kind of recourse for loosing all my photos of my daughter from the day she was born till now ( 4 1/2 years worth).
Not to mention my, almost 30GB of music that was on iTunes.

Take your piece of crap application off the market and save a lot of people a LOT of grief.

other than this.... I love apple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I am truely pissed off. All i can say is <span class="caps">GOD</span> <span class="caps">DAMN</span> <span class="caps">YOU</span> <span class="caps">APPLE</span> for making this piece of shit backup program. I have been using in faithfuly and come to find out after updating to Tiger and formating my drive&#8230;&#8230;. everything that I thought was being backed up <span class="caps">WAS</span> <span class="caps">NOT</span>.</p>

	<p>I wish to hell I could have some kind of recourse for loosing all my photos of my daughter from the day she was born till now ( 4 1/2 years worth).<br />
Not to mention my, almost 30GB of music that was on iTunes.</p>

	<p>Take your piece of crap application off the market and save a lot of people a <span class="caps">LOT</span> of grief.</p>

	<p>other than this&#8230;. I love apple.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Dan Mochizuki</title>
		<link>http://aldoblog.com/2005/02/os-x-backup-sucks/#comment-6284</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Mochizuki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jun 2006 18:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also have several backup hard drives, etc. There is something to be said however for the peace of mind of having offsite backup in the event of burglary or fire. Although .Mac Backup sucks in many ways, it does provide this peace of mind for me, I just have to purge the iDisk when I get the out of space message.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I also have several backup hard drives, etc. There is something to be said however for the peace of mind of having offsite backup in the event of burglary or fire. Although .Mac Backup sucks in many ways, it does provide this peace of mind for me, I just have to purge the iDisk when I get the out of space message.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Digital501</title>
		<link>http://aldoblog.com/2005/02/os-x-backup-sucks/#comment-5799</link>
		<dc:creator>Digital501</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Mar 2006 15:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't trust the .mac backup program.  I've found I get the best results just using the Disk Utility. http://www.digital501.com/2006021110/mac-backup-osx/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I don&#8217;t trust the .mac backup program.  I&#8217;ve found I get the best results just using the Disk Utility. <a href="http://www.digital501.com/2006021110/mac-backup-osx/" >http://www.digital501.com/2006021110/mac-backup-osx/</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Brian Mikol</title>
		<link>http://aldoblog.com/2005/02/os-x-backup-sucks/#comment-467</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Mikol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2005 17:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Little late to the party on this one, but I just got a sweet hookup on a LaCie 250GB drive and just started playing around with it today. They provide a not-quite-Retrospect, but-more-than-Backup utility for free, called &lt;a href="http://www.lacie.com/silverkeeper/"&gt;SilverKeeper&lt;/a&gt;. So far so good (and it does allow you to select how many copies you want kept).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Little late to the party on this one, but I just got a sweet hookup on a LaCie 250GB drive and just started playing around with it today. They provide a not-quite-Retrospect, but-more-than-Backup utility for free, called <a href="http://www.lacie.com/silverkeeper/">SilverKeeper</a>. So far so good (and it does allow you to select how many copies you want kept).</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Zack Martin</title>
		<link>http://aldoblog.com/2005/02/os-x-backup-sucks/#comment-463</link>
		<dc:creator>Zack Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2005 18:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>its not too hard to expect Apple to put together some good uses for the $100 that people pay for .Mac every year. Sadly, that part of Apple is not logical. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>its not too hard to expect Apple to put together some good uses for the $100 that people pay for .Mac every year. Sadly, that part of Apple is not logical.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: M.e.</title>
		<link>http://aldoblog.com/2005/02/os-x-backup-sucks/#comment-210</link>
		<dc:creator>M.e.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2005 02:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have Backup scheduled to back up my keychains, Safari settings, Address book and iCal calendars every week.  There is just under 8MB of space total, and it has been about this much space for the two years I've been using it.  I was under the impression it worked like rsync and only replaced modified files.  

I use rsync for the real stuff, but haven't had a single issue with Backup.  Deja Vu puts a nice little GUI on rsync in your system preferences.  That might be a good option for your friend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I have Backup scheduled to back up my keychains, Safari settings, Address book and iCal calendars every week.  There is just under 8MB of space total, and it has been about this much space for the two years I&#8217;ve been using it.  I was under the impression it worked like rsync and only replaced modified files.  </p>

	<p>I use rsync for the real stuff, but haven&#8217;t had a single issue with Backup.  Deja Vu puts a nice little <span class="caps">GUI</span> on rsync in your system preferences.  That might be a good option for your friend.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Alderete</title>
		<link>http://aldoblog.com/2005/02/os-x-backup-sucks/#comment-209</link>
		<dc:creator>Alderete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Mar 2005 23:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex, rsync is a _terrific_ tool, but isn't something a non-expert can handle. I could set up a nice script up for him, but he could be stuck if he had an emergency, and I wasn't available. I suppose it's not impossible to make it work, but what the heck is Backup for, if not cases like this?

Adam, my own backup routine involves a "Granite Digital":http://www.granitedigital.com/ drive, and three disks in hot-swappable trays. Two are used on alternating weekends, and are stored off-site. The other is my daily backup, and stays home for immediate restores. All this using "Retrospect":http://www.dantz.com/en/products/macpersonal.dtml. 

It's a great solution for _me,_ but there's no way my friend wants something that complicated. Even remembering to take one single drive home with him at night is too much. And given that his laptop lives at his restaurant, where fire and theft are both serious concerns, any backup that isn't off-site isn't safe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Alex, rsync is a <em>terrific</em> tool, but isn&#8217;t something a non-expert can handle. I could set up a nice script up for him, but he could be stuck if he had an emergency, and I wasn&#8217;t available. I suppose it&#8217;s not impossible to make it work, but what the heck is Backup for, if not cases like this?</p>

	<p>Adam, my own backup routine involves a <a href="http://www.granitedigital.com/">Granite Digital</a> drive, and three disks in hot-swappable trays. Two are used on alternating weekends, and are stored off-site. The other is my daily backup, and stays home for immediate restores. All this using <a href="http://www.dantz.com/en/products/macpersonal.dtml">Retrospect</a>. </p>

	<p>It&#8217;s a great solution for <em>me,</em> but there&#8217;s no way my friend wants something that complicated. Even remembering to take one single drive home with him at night is too much. And given that his laptop lives at his restaurant, where fire and theft are both serious concerns, any backup that isn&#8217;t off-site isn&#8217;t safe.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: mph</title>
		<link>http://aldoblog.com/2005/02/os-x-backup-sucks/#comment-208</link>
		<dc:creator>mph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Mar 2005 23:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh.  I woke up just this morning to an "iDisk out of space" message from Backup. Because I assumed sensible behavior and hadn't really thought about how Backup behaves (my real backups are built around rsync), my initial assumption was that I must have drug something into the target directories that was over-large.  

I guess I'm happy to know otherwise. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Heh.  I woke up just this morning to an &#8220;iDisk out of space&#8221; message from Backup. Because I assumed sensible behavior and hadn&#8217;t really thought about how Backup behaves (my real backups are built around rsync), my initial assumption was that I must have drug something into the target directories that was over-large.  </p>

	<p>I guess I&#8217;m happy to know otherwise.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Adam Bell</title>
		<link>http://aldoblog.com/2005/02/os-x-backup-sucks/#comment-207</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Mar 2005 22:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I gave up on .Mac altogether, bought an 80 GB hard disk for less than .Mac, and stuffed it in a spare slot in my machine. CCClone everything I care about every night at 3AM. Absolute cheapest way to go in my view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I gave up on .Mac altogether, bought an 80 GB hard disk for less than .Mac, and stuffed it in a spare slot in my machine. <span class="caps">CCC</span>lone everything I care about every night at 3AM. Absolute cheapest way to go in my view.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://aldoblog.com/2005/02/os-x-backup-sucks/#comment-181</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Feb 2005 17:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.alexking.org/blog/2004/12/10/rsync-backup-system/"&gt;Rsync&lt;/a&gt;, yo!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><a href="http://www.alexking.org/blog/2004/12/10/rsync-backup-system/">Rsync</a>, yo!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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