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		<title>By: Lance</title>
		<link>http://aldoblog.com/2005/02/os-x-backup-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-20885</link>
		<dc:creator>Lance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 17:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve just figured out that Backup left about 24GB of essentially invisible volumes on my hard drive that I guess were mirrors of backups I had instructed it to put on my iPod.  I dunno if this is an idiosyncrasy of the iPod or of Backup, but I figure it&#039;s a Backup thing given how it&#039;s wired to cram up any destination disk.  I feel like a total dumba** that it took me months to figure out that my diminishing hard drive space was due to Backup and not to me overloading it.  Of course, I&#039;ve already purged tons of music files -- thanks Apple!

What helped me find and delete those old volumes was an application called Disk Inventory X that shows you a graphic representation of what&#039;s on your hard drive, plus it shows you a file tree that&#039;s ranked by size.  This is how I finally figured it out, because the Volumes folder wasn&#039;t visible in the Finder window for the Hard Drive, yet by doing the math on the folders I could see, I knew there was something not right.

Once in Disk Inventory X, I was able to click on the offending volumes, use the &quot;Reveal in Finder&quot; menu option, and get to the folders and delete them.

So I get to hang back before splurging on an external drive... at which point I&#039;ll be using Carbon Copy or Super Duper.

And this is to say nothing of the one time I actually needed to retrieve a file from a Backup backup and couldn&#039;t bloody find it in the old backups.  And I&#039;m not a stupid person by any means, I promise :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;ve just figured out that Backup left about 24GB of essentially invisible volumes on my hard drive that I guess were mirrors of backups I had instructed it to put on my iPod.  I dunno if this is an idiosyncrasy of the iPod or of Backup, but I figure it&#8217;s a Backup thing given how it&#8217;s wired to cram up any destination disk.  I feel like a total dumba** that it took me months to figure out that my diminishing hard drive space was due to Backup and not to me overloading it.  Of course, I&#8217;ve already purged tons of music files &#8212; thanks Apple!</p>

	<p>What helped me find and delete those old volumes was an application called Disk Inventory X that shows you a graphic representation of what&#8217;s on your hard drive, plus it shows you a file tree that&#8217;s ranked by size.  This is how I finally figured it out, because the Volumes folder wasn&#8217;t visible in the Finder window for the Hard Drive, yet by doing the math on the folders I could see, I knew there was something not right.</p>

	<p>Once in Disk Inventory X, I was able to click on the offending volumes, use the &#8220;Reveal in Finder&#8221; menu option, and get to the folders and delete them.</p>

	<p>So I get to hang back before splurging on an external drive&#8230; at which point I&#8217;ll be using Carbon Copy or Super Duper.</p>

	<p>And this is to say nothing of the one time I actually needed to retrieve a file from a Backup backup and couldn&#8217;t bloody find it in the old backups.  And I&#8217;m not a stupid person by any means, I promise :)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://aldoblog.com/2005/02/os-x-backup-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-20857</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 22:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve found that TimeMachine and the other Apple utilities are not up to par for me.  I use &quot;TOLIS Group&#039;s&quot;:tolis &quot;BRU Server&quot;:bruserver to backup my Mac, Linux, and Windows systems. It&#039;s saved my butt many times and it&#039;s cheaper than Retrospect&#039;s server product!

[tolis]http://www.tolisgroup.com
[bruserver]http://www.tolisgroup.com/products/bruserver/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;ve found that TimeMachine and the other Apple utilities are not up to par for me.  I use <a href="http://www.tolisgroup.com"><span class="caps">TOLIS</span> Group&#8217;s</a> <a href="http://www.tolisgroup.com/products/bruserver/"><span class="caps">BRU</span> Server</a> to backup my Mac, Linux, and Windows systems. It&#8217;s saved my butt many times and it&#8217;s cheaper than Retrospect&#8217;s server product!</p>

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		<title>By: Alderete</title>
		<link>http://aldoblog.com/2005/02/os-x-backup-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-20318</link>
		<dc:creator>Alderete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 06:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I lost a hard disk drive, to a severe hardware failure (even &quot;DriveSavers&quot;:http://www.drivesavers.com/ couldn&#039;t recover it), more than 10 years ago. I learned then that whatever it costs, backing up is worth it.

So certainly I have no difficulty spending the money for backup hardware and software; since that time I&#039;ve spent *way* more than $150 on my backup drives, in fact more than *$5,000,* covering two different DAT tape drives, a Ecrix VXS tape drive (plus expensive tapes), a Granite Digital hot-swappable drive (plus 8 increasingly large hard disks for it), and most recently an Infrant ReadyNAS. And I&#039;ve owned and used a plethora of backup software solutions, currently _both_ Retrospect (for archival backups) and SuperDuper (for a bootable copy of my system).

But I&#039;m crazy, zealous about doing backups, and I&#039;m a very technical person. My friends who have experienced problems with Backup are neither of these things. My approach is far too expensive, and requires too much expertise to manage. (Retrospect in particular is notoriously hard to use, even for people who use it all the time.) And Backup, offered as a big benefit of .Mac, could easily be the perfect solution for them.

If it worked. But it doesn&#039;t. Backup bills itself as really easy, and in many ways it is. But in the overall lifecycle, it becomes pretty challenging. And some things don&#039;t work at all, or fail at the worst time.

My ultimate point isn&#039;t that it&#039;s possible find a good backup solution, if you work for it. (SuperDuper, while excellent, *does* require effort to learn about, acquire, and understand.) It&#039;s that Backup, with some minor (from a user experience perspective) improvements, could be excellent, instead of failing miserably.

Fortunately we&#039;re not too far from having &quot;Time Machine&quot;:http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/timemachine.html, and this complaint will probably vanish forever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I lost a hard disk drive, to a severe hardware failure (even &#8220;DriveSavers&#8221;:<a href="http://www.drivesavers.com/" >http://www.drivesavers.com/</a> couldn&#8217;t recover it), more than 10 years ago. I learned then that whatever it costs, backing up is worth it.</p>

	<p>So certainly I have no difficulty spending the money for backup hardware and software; since that time I&#8217;ve spent <strong>way</strong> more than $150 on my backup drives, in fact more than <strong>$5,000,</strong> covering two different <span class="caps">DAT</span> tape drives, a Ecrix <span class="caps">VXS</span> tape drive (plus expensive tapes), a Granite Digital hot-swappable drive (plus 8 increasingly large hard disks for it), and most recently an Infrant ReadyNAS. And I&#8217;ve owned and used a plethora of backup software solutions, currently <em>both</em> Retrospect (for archival backups) and SuperDuper (for a bootable copy of my system).</p>

	<p>But I&#8217;m crazy, zealous about doing backups, and I&#8217;m a very technical person. My friends who have experienced problems with Backup are neither of these things. My approach is far too expensive, and requires too much expertise to manage. (Retrospect in particular is notoriously hard to use, even for people who use it all the time.) And Backup, offered as a big benefit of .Mac, could easily be the perfect solution for them.</p>

	<p>If it worked. But it doesn&#8217;t. Backup bills itself as really easy, and in many ways it is. But in the overall lifecycle, it becomes pretty challenging. And some things don&#8217;t work at all, or fail at the worst time.</p>

	<p>My ultimate point isn&#8217;t that it&#8217;s possible find a good backup solution, if you work for it. (SuperDuper, while excellent, <strong>does</strong> require effort to learn about, acquire, and understand.) It&#8217;s that Backup, with some minor (from a user experience perspective) improvements, could be excellent, instead of failing miserably.</p>

	<p>Fortunately we&#8217;re not too far from having &#8220;Time Machine&#8221;:<a href="http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/timemachine.html" >http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/timemachine.html</a>, and this complaint will probably vanish forever.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://aldoblog.com/2005/02/os-x-backup-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-20317</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 04:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you are serious about not losing things like 4 1/2 years of children pictures, personal memories, financial data, etc. etc. then it is well worth the ~$130 for Retrospect and a decent external hard drive.  It is too bad the Apple backup software is bad, but I have seen equally as bad things happen to people using Microsoft&#039;s built-in backup software, so the problems are the same across both platforms.  Sorry for your losses.  Third-party commercial software is almost always the best way to go.  The only other application I have seen work well for backup&#039;s is SuperDuper, which is a great shareware application.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>If you are serious about not losing things like 4 1/2 years of children pictures, personal memories, financial data, etc. etc. then it is well worth the ~$130 for Retrospect and a decent external hard drive.  It is too bad the Apple backup software is bad, but I have seen equally as bad things happen to people using Microsoft&#8217;s built-in backup software, so the problems are the same across both platforms.  Sorry for your losses.  Third-party commercial software is almost always the best way to go.  The only other application I have seen work well for backup&#8217;s is SuperDuper, which is a great shareware application.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Sid</title>
		<link>http://aldoblog.com/2005/02/os-x-backup-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-19922</link>
		<dc:creator>Sid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep just had the same thing happen to me Shawn.  I have a pre-tiger backup on 17 DVDs - it still works like a charm (not sure which version of backup, I think 3 also)

Not too long ago I did a backup onto an external 500GB hdd - cos swapping DVDs is annoying! Everything went smooth, woke up the next morning to find the confirmation message on screen, so I proceeded to wipe the drive clean.

When it came time to restore, the restore failed.  On further investigation I found that a couple of the Backup files were an amazing OKB in size, lost a lot of personal stuff - music and photos and mail - which REALLY SUCKS! Luckily all my work was already moved to the external HDD, but there were some important family pics now gone forever.  Funny how that&#039;s the exact angle Apple uses to pimp their .Mac setup - and yes, this is coming from a .Mac user.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Yep just had the same thing happen to me Shawn.  I have a pre-tiger backup on 17 <span class="caps">DVD</span>s &#8211; it still works like a charm (not sure which version of backup, I think 3 also)</p>

	<p>Not too long ago I did a backup onto an external 500GB hdd &#8211; cos swapping <span class="caps">DVD</span>s is annoying! Everything went smooth, woke up the next morning to find the confirmation message on screen, so I proceeded to wipe the drive clean.</p>

	<p>When it came time to restore, the restore failed.  On further investigation I found that a couple of the Backup files were an amazing <span class="caps">OKB</span> in size, lost a lot of personal stuff &#8211; music and photos and mail &#8211; which <span class="caps">REALLY</span> <span class="caps">SUCKS</span>! Luckily all my work was already moved to the external <span class="caps">HDD</span>, but there were some important family pics now gone forever.  Funny how that&#8217;s the exact angle Apple uses to pimp their .Mac setup &#8211; and yes, this is coming from a .Mac user.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Shawn</title>
		<link>http://aldoblog.com/2005/02/os-x-backup-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-17898</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 04:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am truely pissed off. All i can say is GOD DAMN YOU APPLE for making this piece of shit backup program. I have been using in faithfuly and come to find out after updating to Tiger and formating my drive....... everything that I thought was being backed up WAS NOT.

I wish to hell I could have some kind of recourse for loosing all my photos of my daughter from the day she was born till now ( 4 1/2 years worth).
Not to mention my, almost 30GB of music that was on iTunes.

Take your piece of crap application off the market and save a lot of people a LOT of grief.

other than this.... I love apple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I am truely pissed off. All i can say is <span class="caps">GOD</span> <span class="caps">DAMN</span> <span class="caps">YOU</span> <span class="caps">APPLE</span> for making this piece of shit backup program. I have been using in faithfuly and come to find out after updating to Tiger and formating my drive&#8230;&#8230;. everything that I thought was being backed up <span class="caps">WAS</span> <span class="caps">NOT</span>.</p>

	<p>I wish to hell I could have some kind of recourse for loosing all my photos of my daughter from the day she was born till now ( 4 1/2 years worth).<br />
Not to mention my, almost 30GB of music that was on iTunes.</p>

	<p>Take your piece of crap application off the market and save a lot of people a <span class="caps">LOT</span> of grief.</p>

	<p>other than this&#8230;. I love apple.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Dan Mochizuki</title>
		<link>http://aldoblog.com/2005/02/os-x-backup-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-6284</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Mochizuki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jun 2006 18:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also have several backup hard drives, etc. There is something to be said however for the peace of mind of having offsite backup in the event of burglary or fire. Although .Mac Backup sucks in many ways, it does provide this peace of mind for me, I just have to purge the iDisk when I get the out of space message.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I also have several backup hard drives, etc. There is something to be said however for the peace of mind of having offsite backup in the event of burglary or fire. Although .Mac Backup sucks in many ways, it does provide this peace of mind for me, I just have to purge the iDisk when I get the out of space message.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Digital501</title>
		<link>http://aldoblog.com/2005/02/os-x-backup-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-5799</link>
		<dc:creator>Digital501</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Mar 2006 15:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t trust the .mac backup program.  I&#039;ve found I get the best results just using the Disk Utility. http://www.digital501.com/2006021110/mac-backup-osx/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I don&#8217;t trust the .mac backup program.  I&#8217;ve found I get the best results just using the Disk Utility. <a href="http://www.digital501.com/2006021110/mac-backup-osx/" >http://www.digital501.com/2006021110/mac-backup-osx/</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Brian Mikol</title>
		<link>http://aldoblog.com/2005/02/os-x-backup-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-467</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Mikol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2005 17:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Little late to the party on this one, but I just got a sweet hookup on a LaCie 250GB drive and just started playing around with it today. They provide a not-quite-Retrospect, but-more-than-Backup utility for free, called &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lacie.com/silverkeeper/&quot;&gt;SilverKeeper&lt;/a&gt;. So far so good (and it does allow you to select how many copies you want kept).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Little late to the party on this one, but I just got a sweet hookup on a LaCie 250GB drive and just started playing around with it today. They provide a not-quite-Retrospect, but-more-than-Backup utility for free, called <a href="http://www.lacie.com/silverkeeper/">SilverKeeper</a>. So far so good (and it does allow you to select how many copies you want kept).</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Zack Martin</title>
		<link>http://aldoblog.com/2005/02/os-x-backup-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-463</link>
		<dc:creator>Zack Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2005 18:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>its not too hard to expect Apple to put together some good uses for the $100 that people pay for .Mac every year. Sadly, that part of Apple is not logical. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>its not too hard to expect Apple to put together some good uses for the $100 that people pay for .Mac every year. Sadly, that part of Apple is not logical. </p>]]></content:encoded>
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