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		<title>By: Sharon</title>
		<link>http://aldoblog.com/2009/12/bookmark-app-review/comment-page-1/#comment-24838</link>
		<dc:creator>Sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2011 23:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am downloading library books in WMA format to my new IPOD Touch which I got just for audiobooks. What a hassle!  I am about to give up, but I will try the Bookmark app described here before returning this IPOD.
What is the best device and app to get for audiobooks?  I listen to them everyday of my life always at bedtime for several hours on my way to sleep.
With CDs I can find my place with little trouble because I know which CD was playing and can FF through the tracks.  
With audiobook playback I am confused and frustrated with the whole process.  Itunes does not even list a downloaded audiobook even though I synced them to the IPOD.  I have Itunes10 installed.  I won&#039;t be buying audiobooks.  Most of the ones from the public library are in WMA format and a few in MP3.
 At least I have graduated from cassette tapes to CDs, but this new IPOD thing is frustrating.  I want to get an IPAD also--will there be the same problems with audiobooks?   
Thanks for listening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I am downloading library books in <span class="caps">WMA</span> format to my new <span class="caps">IPOD</span> Touch which I got just for audiobooks. What a hassle!  I am about to give up, but I will try the Bookmark app described here before returning this <span class="caps">IPOD</span>.<br />
What is the best device and app to get for audiobooks?  I listen to them everyday of my life always at bedtime for several hours on my way to sleep.<br />
With CDs I can find my place with little trouble because I know which CD was playing and can FF through the tracks.  <br />
With audiobook playback I am confused and frustrated with the whole process.  Itunes does not even list a downloaded audiobook even though I synced them to the <span class="caps">IPOD</span>.  I have Itunes10 installed.  I won&#8217;t be buying audiobooks.  Most of the ones from the public library are in <span class="caps">WMA</span> format and a few in MP3.
 At least I have graduated from cassette tapes to CDs, but this new <span class="caps">IPOD</span> thing is frustrating.  I want to get an <span class="caps">IPAD</span> also&#8212;will there be the same problems with audiobooks?   <br />
Thanks for listening.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Gipr</title>
		<link>http://aldoblog.com/2009/12/bookmark-app-review/comment-page-1/#comment-24680</link>
		<dc:creator>Gipr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2011 11:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rockbox is so much better than the built-in ipod players, and it is free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Rockbox is so much better than the built-in ipod players, and it is free.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Alderete</title>
		<link>http://aldoblog.com/2009/12/bookmark-app-review/comment-page-1/#comment-24645</link>
		<dc:creator>Alderete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2011 00:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Peter: I see your use case, and understand why you would choose to work with the genre browser. I think the key is that you have dozens to hundreds of individual tracks that you need to browse through, and that you&#039;re on a classic (non-iOS) device. In that specific case, marking tracks as &quot;Music&quot; in order to use the genre browser could be useful (as long as you&#039;re _also_ willing to add the genre information to tracks, etc).

Personally, all of my short form spoken word comes in the form of podcasts, and tend to focus on non-fiction topics, mostly technology. I know there are great radio programs and so on, but for fiction I stick with novels. And there, because I am working with only a couple of tracks per book, I find the grouping mechanisms offered by my iPhone to be pretty solid, and being separate from Music is an advantage.

This on-device management is one of the reasons I now recommend iOS-based devices as the best devices for audiobooks. There are significant differences in how the iPhone and iPod Touch handle audiobooks, that make them much easier to work with than the older &quot;classic&quot; devices like your nano. Even the new Nano Touch isn&#039;t much better than the older scroll wheel-based nanos. Very good, but not in the same league as iOS devices.

At any rate, you certainly seem to prefer your strategy for managing your content, but I think your recommendation of &quot;never, and I mean never&quot; is a little extreme! I can&#039;t endorse it as something I&#039;d use myself, as I&#039;m pretty convinced that it&#039;s a work-around for a specific use case: lots of short tracks on a classic iPod. Glad it works for you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>@Peter: I see your use case, and understand why you would choose to work with the genre browser. I think the key is that you have dozens to hundreds of individual tracks that you need to browse through, and that you&#8217;re on a classic (non-iOS) device. In that specific case, marking tracks as &#8220;Music&#8221; in order to use the genre browser could be useful (as long as you&#8217;re <em>also</em> willing to add the genre information to tracks, etc).</p>

	<p>Personally, all of my short form spoken word comes in the form of podcasts, and tend to focus on non-fiction topics, mostly technology. I know there are great radio programs and so on, but for fiction I stick with novels. And there, because I am working with only a couple of tracks per book, I find the grouping mechanisms offered by my iPhone to be pretty solid, and being separate from Music is an advantage.</p>

	<p>This on-device management is one of the reasons I now recommend iOS-based devices as the best devices for audiobooks. There are significant differences in how the iPhone and iPod Touch handle audiobooks, that make them much easier to work with than the older &#8220;classic&#8221; devices like your nano. Even the new Nano Touch isn&#8217;t much better than the older scroll wheel-based nanos. Very good, but not in the same league as iOS devices.</p>

	<p>At any rate, you certainly seem to prefer your strategy for managing your content, but I think your recommendation of &#8220;never, and I mean never&#8221; is a little extreme! I can&#8217;t endorse it as something I&#8217;d use myself, as I&#8217;m pretty convinced that it&#8217;s a work-around for a specific use case: lots of short tracks on a classic iPod. Glad it works for you!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Peter from Australia</title>
		<link>http://aldoblog.com/2009/12/bookmark-app-review/comment-page-1/#comment-24643</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter from Australia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jul 2011 15:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great site, but I think you have missed the most important poit of all: never, and I mean never should a savvy ipod user ever label a track as an audiobook. All files should be marked as music. Go to Options in thr Get info dialogue box for any track and you will see that you can mark a box that says &#039;remember playback position&#039; and select the music option from the drop down menu next to &#039;media kind.&#039; This means that the spoken word file will appear in the music meu in itunes and ipods, but will play like an audio book file, so you can move to another track and it will remember your place in each spoken word file.

Why do this? Because it lets you search spoken word tracks on your ipod by genre. Audiobook tracks just sit on your ipod in a list. ou can&#039;t search them by genre so they can be very hard to find.  It&#039;s much better to search by genre from the music menu.  In fact &#039;genre&#039; is always the first button I push on my nano&#039;s home screen. And you can invent your own genres. I have, &#039;plays&#039;, &#039;novels&#039;, &#039;mystery&#039;, &#039;short stories&#039;, &#039;comedy&#039;, &#039;renaissance drama.&#039; As for music I have &#039;classical/instrumental&#039;, &#039;classical opera&#039;, etc, as well as &#039;modern.&#039;

Most of my spoken word files come from recordings from BBC radio (the only true source of good radio comedy and drama in English) or from the itunes store.  You can even turn podcasts into music tracks and search for them using genre.

Of course I&#039;d have a least 100 spoken word files on my ipod nano at one time</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This is a great site, but I think you have missed the most important poit of all: never, and I mean never should a savvy ipod user ever label a track as an audiobook. All files should be marked as music. Go to Options in thr Get info dialogue box for any track and you will see that you can mark a box that says &#8216;remember playback position&#8217; and select the music option from the drop down menu next to &#8216;media kind.&#8217; This means that the spoken word file will appear in the music meu in itunes and ipods, but will play like an audio book file, so you can move to another track and it will remember your place in each spoken word file.</p>

	<p>Why do this? Because it lets you search spoken word tracks on your ipod by genre. Audiobook tracks just sit on your ipod in a list. ou can&#8217;t search them by genre so they can be very hard to find.  It&#8217;s much better to search by genre from the music menu.  In fact &#8216;genre&#8217; is always the first button I push on my nano&#8217;s home screen. And you can invent your own genres. I have, &#8216;plays&#8217;, &#8216;novels&#8217;, &#8216;mystery&#8217;, &#8216;short stories&#8217;, &#8216;comedy&#8217;, &#8216;renaissance drama.&#8217; As for music I have &#8216;classical/instrumental&#8217;, &#8216;classical opera&#8217;, etc, as well as &#8216;modern.&#8217;</p>

	<p>Most of my spoken word files come from recordings from <span class="caps">BBC</span> radio (the only true source of good radio comedy and drama in English) or from the itunes store.  You can even turn podcasts into music tracks and search for them using genre.</p>

	<p>Of course I&#8217;d have a least 100 spoken word files on my ipod nano at one time</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Alderete</title>
		<link>http://aldoblog.com/2009/12/bookmark-app-review/comment-page-1/#comment-24326</link>
		<dc:creator>Alderete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2011 11:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kit: I should add, if that sounds cumbersome, I certainly agree! Indeed, every once in a while, I forget how to do it!

So, here&#039;s an even better tip: the &lt;a href=&quot;/2010/11/audible-audiobook-player-app-review/&quot;&gt;Audible app&lt;/a&gt; has a built-in sleep timer. If you get your content from Audible, that&#039;s yet another way that the Audible app is superior to the standard iPod app for playing audiobooks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>@Kit: I should add, if that sounds cumbersome, I certainly agree! Indeed, every once in a while, I forget how to do it!</p>

	<p>So, here&#8217;s an even better tip: the <a href="/2010/11/audible-audiobook-player-app-review/">Audible app</a> has a built-in sleep timer. If you get your content from Audible, that&#8217;s yet another way that the Audible app is superior to the standard iPod app for playing audiobooks.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Alderete</title>
		<link>http://aldoblog.com/2009/12/bookmark-app-review/comment-page-1/#comment-24325</link>
		<dc:creator>Alderete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2011 10:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kit: The iPod Touch (and all iOS devices, like the iPhone) does indeed have a sleep timer, but it&#039;s a little more complicated to use. It&#039;s not in the iPod app, it&#039;s actually an &quot;alarm&quot; option in the Clock app&#039;s Timer function. Here&#039;s how to use it:

1. Go into the Clock app, and tap &lt;span class=&quot;ui&quot;&gt;Timer&lt;/span&gt; in the bottom right corner.
2. Set the amount of time to e.g. 30 minutes.
3. Tap the &lt;span class=&quot;ui&quot;&gt;When Timer Ends&lt;/span&gt; button, and scroll down to the very bottom of the list. Most everything is alarm sounds, but at the very bottom is a separate item &lt;span class=&quot;ui&quot;&gt;Sleep iPod&lt;/span&gt;.
4. Tap &lt;span class=&quot;ui&quot;&gt;Sleep iPod&lt;/span&gt;, and then tap &lt;span class=&quot;ui&quot;&gt;Set&lt;/span&gt; in the top right corner.
5. Tap the &lt;span class=&quot;ui&quot;&gt;Start&lt;/span&gt; button.
6. Switch to the iPod app, and start your program. It will fade out when the timer ends, and your iOS device will go to sleep.

HTH!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>@Kit: The iPod Touch (and all iOS devices, like the iPhone) does indeed have a sleep timer, but it&#8217;s a little more complicated to use. It&#8217;s not in the iPod app, it&#8217;s actually an &#8220;alarm&#8221; option in the Clock app&#8217;s Timer function. Here&#8217;s how to use it:</p>

	<p>1. Go into the Clock app, and tap <span class="ui">Timer</span> in the bottom right corner.<br />
2. Set the amount of time to e.g. 30 minutes.<br />
3. Tap the <span class="ui">When Timer Ends</span> button, and scroll down to the very bottom of the list. Most everything is alarm sounds, but at the very bottom is a separate item <span class="ui">Sleep iPod</span>.<br />
4. Tap <span class="ui">Sleep iPod</span>, and then tap <span class="ui">Set</span> in the top right corner.<br />
5. Tap the <span class="ui">Start</span> button.<br />
6. Switch to the iPod app, and start your program. It will fade out when the timer ends, and your iOS device will go to sleep.</p>

	<p><span class="caps">HTH</span>!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Kit Winterer</title>
		<link>http://aldoblog.com/2009/12/bookmark-app-review/comment-page-1/#comment-24324</link>
		<dc:creator>Kit Winterer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2011 10:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m happy to have found your site and your discussions on audiobooks on the nano to have been invaluable. I use that each night with the timer on for 30 minutes. Is such a function on the Touch? I&#039;ve put a few audio books on the Touch during synch but don&#039;t know how to get to them.

Have you found any app which includs a timer? What procedure should I use to listen to audio books on my Touch using no additional apps?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m happy to have found your site and your discussions on audiobooks on the nano to have been invaluable. I use that each night with the timer on for 30 minutes. Is such a function on the Touch? I&#8217;ve put a few audio books on the Touch during synch but don&#8217;t know how to get to them.</p>

	<p>Have you found any app which includs a timer? What procedure should I use to listen to audio books on my Touch using no additional apps?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://aldoblog.com/2009/12/bookmark-app-review/comment-page-1/#comment-21982</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 04:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great site, bookmarkapp 1.2.1 is great compared to the stock ipod touch fw 3.1.2 itunes 9.1, makes the touch almost useable for audiobooks.  I still think my nano is a better mp3 player with smart playlists.  and at least any ipod other than the touch still works with live updating (which is broken on iphone os 3.1).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Great site, bookmarkapp 1.2.1 is great compared to the stock ipod touch fw 3.1.2 itunes 9.1, makes the touch almost useable for audiobooks.  I still think my nano is a better mp3 player with smart playlists.  and at least any ipod other than the touch still works with live updating (which is broken on iphone os 3.1).</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Kamran</title>
		<link>http://aldoblog.com/2009/12/bookmark-app-review/comment-page-1/#comment-21972</link>
		<dc:creator>Kamran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 20:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, have you experienced any bugs after the bookmark app was recently updated.  When I open the app, the book starts from the beginning and there is NO sound.  When I exit the app, I start hearing the audio (from the beginning) from the native iPod app, which I then open and manually adjust to where I had left off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Michael, have you experienced any bugs after the bookmark app was recently updated.  When I open the app, the book starts from the beginning and there is NO sound.  When I exit the app, I start hearing the audio (from the beginning) from the native iPod app, which I then open and manually adjust to where I had left off.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Alderete</title>
		<link>http://aldoblog.com/2009/12/bookmark-app-review/comment-page-1/#comment-21318</link>
		<dc:creator>Alderete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@GY: Yes, apps are only for the iPhone and iPod Touch. I thought referring to the App Store, and only mentioning the iPhone and iPod Touch by name would have been clear enough, but I&#039;ll be more explicit in the future.

As for being frustrated with your Nano, it sounds like you need to learn to use the (non-obvious) controls for dealing with longer tracks. See my post on this topic, &quot;Backing Up in an Audiobook&quot;:http://aldoblog.com/2009/04/backing-up-in-an-audiobook/. And there is lots more on the topics of iPods and audiobooks here on the site, most of which is relevant to the Nano, which was my preferred iPod for many years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>@GY: Yes, apps are only for the iPhone and iPod Touch. I thought referring to the App Store, and only mentioning the iPhone and iPod Touch by name would have been clear enough, but I&#8217;ll be more explicit in the future.</p>

	<p>As for being frustrated with your Nano, it sounds like you need to learn to use the (non-obvious) controls for dealing with longer tracks. See my post on this topic, &#8220;Backing Up in an Audiobook&#8221;:<a href="http://aldoblog.com/2009/04/backing-up-in-an-audiobook/" >http://aldoblog.com/2009/04/backing-up-in-an-audiobook/</a>. And there is lots more on the topics of iPods and audiobooks here on the site, most of which is relevant to the Nano, which was my preferred iPod for many years.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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